IIRC, his findings were, due to the twist rate of the military barrel he used, rather displeasing as he was having a hard time finding an accurate load for his rifle; especially with lighter bullets. Can run 280/160's at 3,000 fps when taken to AI pressure level. The 7x64 case is ever so slightly shorter than the .280 in case length dimensions but features slightly less body taper, evening out case capacity. Mag.• .375 Ruger vs. .375 H&H Magnum• 7mm-08 Remington vs. .280 Remington• .280 Remington vs. .280 Ackley Improved• 7mm vs. .30 Caliber• 6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC• .338 Win. Que peut-on attendre de ces 2 calibres en performance,subsonique et supersonique? Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. Top . The 7x57mm Mauser is the brainchild of Peter Paul Mauser, developed in 1892, and was adopted by the Spanish Military a year later. … Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. _____ CDR3 Veteran, NRA Member. .280 holds about 10 gr more powder whiich I would say equates to 140-150 fps. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Mar 2, 2013 #8 This is a bit like a 308 or 30/06 thread. Tuesday, October 27, 2020. vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. Using a rimless, bottlenecked case measuring 57mm (2.244 inches) and a bullet diameter of 7.25mm (0.284 inches)—the land diameter is where the 7mm moniker is derived—the Mauser design used a 173- to 175-grain round nose bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps. STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. vs. .300 Wby. By Ron Spomer. The 7x57 is about perfectly balanced, case size vs. bore. Palouser Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. Which of these gets the nod? The .35 I’d reserve for the last three, while the others require no more than the other options. They share the same case head diameter, and though the Springfield case is longer, there is no denying the resemblance. Factory 7x57 loads typically run from 139 to 175 grains, so Hornady's 150-grain ELD-X and 162-grain ELD Match appeared perfectly suited for this. Reactions: WVgoodguy22. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. I had my Interarms Mark X in 7x57 rechambered to 280 Rem about 20 years ago and have regretted it ever since. Mag.• .300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM• .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. In fact, the .280 Remington may be one of the best balanced of the Springfield family. In this case 270 vs 280, I have no idea why the 280 was created. and owned them. Mag. Exemples, une 7mm-08 contre .308, une .280 Rem. In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. Witold Krzyżanowski . If I were you I would load it with Hornady GMX/Barnes X and not worry that you are under gunned or need a 7 mm. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. as a benchmark, according to the Remington website for same bullet factory load. That said, the 7x57mm Mauser can be a very versatile cartridge as well. In the first editions, a load is given for the .450/.400 Nitro Express (3 inch), but by vs. .300 Win. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. vs .280 Rem. par D-mon » 10 Fév 2005 01:26 . 7mm STW. The 7x57 is one of my favorite Bushveld calibers but might be a bit to slow if you planning to take some of long shots at game. I used to shoot the 170 gr. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Go. It is the success of the 7x57mm Mauser which has caused so many cartridges to be necked up or down to hold 7mm bullets; the .280 Remington is no exception. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 Rem. Jul 22, 2019 #8 Wapiti426 New member. Seen more than a few taken with .270's and 30-06 though. 7mm Wby Mag. It did, for the first few decades of its existence, suffer from the incredible popularity of both the .30-06 Springfield and the .270 Winchester, and went through that weird name change debacle in the late 70s/early 80s when it was known as the 7mm Express Remington. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. The Contestants. … 280 Remington. I have a lovely Ruger Model 77 in 7 x 57 Mauser too, but thought just to be on the safe side to up gun from that to the 280. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . Killing a big bull at a steep quartering angle takes a very good cartridge topped by a tough, deep-penetrating bullet. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. vs. .300 Ultra Mag. ArmedBear Member. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. If you look at Nolser manual #6 they use custom barrels. ... • .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington • .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser The switch would later be made to the 139-grain spitzer bullet at a much higher velocity, though the heavier bullet—and the Mauser rifle—made the 7x57mm Mauser’s reputation in the hunting fields. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. In their data the 280 has 26" barrel and 24" for the 270 and the 280 has alittle better velocity. vs. .340 Wby. The 7mm Showdown: 7x57 vs. 7mm-08 Rem. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. Atkinson. Atkinson. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. AGW- duh!!! You thinking of Roberts or 280?- drybean. I've got a rifle hunt planned for this fall in CO and need to find some factory ammo that shoots well out of my gun. Nous vous livrons également au drive sans-contact du Magasin de Nîmes. Probably not, partly because I was lucky enough to obtain it when the prices at Serengeti were a lot lower than they are now! HD . The Berger 180-grain VLD Target, Hornady 180-grain ELD Match, Sierra 183-grain MatchKing and Berger 195-grain EOL Elite Hunter have impressive BCs, but I was concerned whether the old 7x57 could drive the heavier bullets fast enough. The .280 reamer will not clean up the old neck. I've loaded for both and have owned several 280's, 3-4 7x57, but have only worked with 140's in each because there was no requirement for a 160 for my hunting.All these rifles had 22" barrels and ran the gamut from Remington Mountain rifles to full blown customs. Same cartridge, just different name. SAAMI spec pressure is higher with the 270 65KPSI vs 60KPSI for the 280. I have owned(and still do) plenty of 7x57,7mm-08 as well as .280 Remington. Can you can get a 7x57 160 loaded 2,850 to 2,900 fps? S. srvet Well-Known Member. Durant toute la durée du confinement, nous expédions normalement vos commandes. I'm glad someone created the 6mm but it wasn't a necessity to fill a gap. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. The cartridge and the Mauser rifle of course to this day stand out as impeccable performers on Africa big game. With the 7mm-08 rounds, the top performing round only has 295 inches of bullet drop while another has 435 inches. 7x57 or 280 Remington. I think alot goes back to when the 280 was a wildcat rd 7mm/06 and the 30-06 is 60kPSI they just kept it the same pressure level. 7mm WSM. (In the case of the 7x57, also 175 grain bullets.) In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best … 01 October 2011, 00:40. Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 … The 7x57 is a nice upgrade to that. Re: 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. The head diameter of the 7x64 is slightly smaller than the .280 (probably originally to avoid any patent issues with the Mauser brothers 8x57) however .270/.280 brass can be formed into 7x64. Personally I don't have any experience with 7x57 on elk. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. Can you can get a 7x57 160 from 2,850 to 2,900 fps? Try Reloaders. Wow, what great bullet. Over 2900fps with a 140 accubond. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. quote: Originally posted by fredj338: What rifle is that being built on? It was subsequently adopted by several other … Jul 23, 2019 … Edited to add; I see now that cptpoly posted the same link, good info though. _____ "So many rifles; so little time." Like @wbm says, fine … Not sure if you're in the USA or if you buy factory ammo, but if that matters I'd say the 7x57 wins that battle. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. You may contacxt E.R. Pitiful. Factory specifications for a 7mm MAuser are worthless comparisons to the handloader who is the only person to realize the potentioal of this case size. That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. Last edited: Jun 9, 2018. La balistique en quelques chiffres . Hope you had a good Christmas. But if you enjoy the historical ties to cartridges, and your shots stay inside of 300 yards, there’s no reason to say no to the 7x57mm Mauser; it just doesn’t have the capability of the .280 Remington at longer ranges. Mine is now a .280 Imp-Imp, but it shot extemely well before the rechamber, I've only fired start loads to fire form in it so far, but even those shot mostly insdie of 2" shooting 5 shots groups as fast as I could reload, let it cool and do it again for 50 rounds! vs. .284 Win. Forced to pick between the two, the .280 gives more versatility and the sensible side of me will have to give the .280 Remington the nod. Jul 21, 2017 #1 A. ATX762 Senior Member. Steve. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. #2 Short actions chamberings and rifles are simply more accurate. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. and owned them. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. I load for my sister's 7x57, and RL-17 has given some great velocity in that case. Check it out! EVOSTRIKE VS TIPSTRIKE in ballistic gelatin Test: Which hunting bullet suits you? The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). Since I don't have access to such resources, I would tend to use an approximation. KSTEPHENS. The result: a necked neck. jimmyraythomason, Mar 22, 2010 #7. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. 7mm-08 vs 270, some thoughts. It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. I am an idiot who needs sleep. 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. Survival. Mag. It’s worth noting, however, that some loads have been dropped. But this isn’t due to it being chambered in weak, older rifles. So, the 7x57 has an emotional-historic relevance in South Africa. Of course you are right on the money. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. My guesstimate is in a 22" barrel they are pretty much one in the same. I love them all but if pushed to pick a favorite it would be the 7x57 hands down. One dropped like he was hit by lightening and the other took about 5 steps but never took another chew on the clump of grass in his mouth. Maybe the best way to really determine the difference in velocity potential between two cartridges is to perform tests including multiple rifles and loads loaded to the same pressure as determined by the latest test equipment. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:48 pm . Planetcat, Jun 7, 2018. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Taking the nostalgia out of the equation, the .280 Remington makes more sense, or perhaps I should say is more versatile for the one-gun hunter. Which of these loads will serve you best the next time a deer enters the crosshairs? The 280 should beat it by a bit, but not much. Wildcats be wildcats. Under 200 yards you can't tell the difference. Mag. Wow, what great bullet. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. Mag. 7x57 or 280 Remington. The .30-06, and its older brother the .30-03, were necked up and down to hold bullets of many different diameters—think about the famous .270 Winchester, .25-06 Remington and .35 Whelen—but Remington released their .280 Remington in 1957. Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. I've loaded the 175 in the 280 using 58 grains of 7828 for, SAAMI for the 7x57 is 51Kpsi. I've got months to find a round that shoots well out of my .308, but October will be here quick. I’m talking 7mm-08 vs. .308; .280 Rem. Same with a 7-08 vs a 270 or 280. Still- kind of surprised the differences aren't even greater. Apologies. They also need less powder … Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. by Philip Massaro - The 7x57 mm is neither wildly popular nor widely available, but neither is the .280 Rem. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Shaw and just have your Ruger rebarreled to another 7x57 or to 280. Since we're comparing 7mm rifle ammo, I'd probably take the ol' .280 Remington over either, or as I like to call it, the 7mm-06. I love the 6mm Remington but it doesn't really have that much of an advantage over the 243 really. The fans of the .280 Remington are not legion, but they tend to be loyal and steadfast. fyrewall. The 7×57mm Mauser (designated as the 7mm Mauser or 7×57mm by the SAAMI and 7 × 57 by the C.I.P.) Reactions: WVgoodguy22. flu-flu Membre Confirmé Messages: 192 Images: 2 Inscription: 03 Mai 2003 21:33. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 can handle bullets ranging from about 100-160 grains very effectively. With the Hornady Custom .275 Rigby load 140-grain load moving at 2680 fps, it will still retain over 1,000 ft-lbs at the 400-yard mark. Be advised that the neck on the .280 is a good deal smaller in diameter than the 7x57. 28 Nosler. Top . Largest internet ammo dealer shows 12 options for 7x57 loaded ammunition and 6 options in stock. StarCraft II is a real-time strategy game from Blizzard Entertainment for the PC and Mac. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, Large Mountain Lion Spotted Outside Dallas, Head to Head: .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield, Head to Head: .444 Marlin vs. .45-70 Government, 2020 National Rifle Association of America. Like the .280, the best powders for the 7x64 are those in the 4350 through to 4831 burn rate range. 7x57 vs 7mm-08 Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by plp, Jun 6, 2018. 7mm Rem SA Ultra Mag. Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. Posted: Tue … The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … By today’s standards, the 7x57mm Mauser is in the same league, albeit slightly less powerful than the .270 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm-08, and .284 Win. quote: Originally posted by fredj338: What rifle is that being built on? 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. I have two 7x57 loads that both test near 55 KPSI, and which both put a 160/162 grain bullet at a trifle under 2750 FPS. I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land.280 vs. 7x57 . Alas, like the 7x57 it suffers somewhat from a low maximum breech pressure, 56,000 psi. were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). Both great cartridges imo. Our modern bullets have done nothing but help the 19th century cartridge, making it even more effective than it was in the 1890s. Sure, the 7mm Mauser is an old-timer, but this older round can keep up with newer ones. The 7x57 was a staple among those who lived in colonial Africa; the late Finn Aagaard related the story of the family’s 7x57 having a barrel that was shot out on game, not targets. All comments are welcome and appreciated. ; 7mm Ultra Mag. My great room is littered with reloading manuals, articles ECT. vs .280 Rem. But, a handloader and a modern rifle can run it at modern pressures up to 58-60K psi. Et le quelle est le meilleur . It was developed by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company in 1892 and adopted as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893. After the Spanish-American War of the late 1890s, our military was forced to re-examine the .30-40 Krag; ultimately the influence of the 7x57mm Mauser gave rise to the .30-06 Springfield that we still hold so dear. In the 7mm bore diameter, these are both middle of the road choices, giving the shooter enough horsepower to get the job done, yet both are usually easy enough on the shoulder to allow for accurate shot placement. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. … They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. Uncle Grinch, Mar … Thread Tools . EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. 7mm Rem Mag. Supporter . Hoping to see it before our annual pilgramage to Kansas.... 11 October 2007, 04:16 . 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? I don't hand load, so would be reliant on factory ammunition. The Contestants. Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir Killing a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. Nov 14, 2017 Mag. 280 Remington. Sing it Bob. We've got you covered.• .300 Win. versus une .30-06, une 7mm STW versus une .300 Wby ou encore, une 7mm Ultra Mag versus une .300 Ultra Mag. It is a flat-shooting cartridge, and though it does have more recoil than does the Mauser, it’s very user-friendly. 280 Rem. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. With good handloads the cartridge comes very close to 7mm Remington Magnum performance--and does it in a shorter barrel while burning a whole lot less powder. In the hands of explorer/hunters like Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell, known by his African nickname “Karamoja,” the 7x57mm Mauser—marketed in the U.K. as the .275 Rigby—would be used as an all-around cartridge, for animals as small as impala all the way up to elephant. Latest. 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data ... 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08 Rem. I would not expect much difference at equal peak pressures. 284 Win. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. In the High Velocity guise—the throat of the chamber is modified to work best with the 140-grain bullets—as is so popular in the U.K. for stalking red deer and hunting roe deer, the cartridge handles those species perfectly. 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